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DalilaGarciaG's picture

You, you're god, Billie.

Sadie.bell's picture

Ya I agree with fawkes403.  Also, I get your point throggie and it most definetly does make sense.  

Tibisay Lugo's picture

 


If that amount of people by firearms dies in United States! Imagine in Venezuela with a Government that nom is concerned about the safety of its citizens! God bless our continent!
throggie's picture

...Then taxes are raised elsewhere.  Prices of manufacturing weapons and supply for law enforcement and military increase.  Then they are under-armed, unarmed, or again taxes go up.  All the while the person who wants to acquire a weapon illegally and harm someone is entirely unaffected if motivated.  The government will not just pull the plug on guns.  Not in our life time.  You may see it get strict but not disappear.  I would think Billie Joe realizes this but doesn’t count on you putting it all together.  He is just throwing that stuff out there for the image and marketing of his product to build and maintain a loyal following.  I’m not saying he doesn’t believe it but he knows a war on guns is a ridiculous notion as far as reality goes.  I respect him as an entertainer and musician completely but he is not a policy maker or an economist.  He should say what he wants.  But everyone should think for themselves.  Ok, I’m exhausted of it.

throggie's picture

@fawfes403…I appreciate you hearing me out.  And I feel you raise some great points.  That’s why it is healthy and productive for us to discuss things that we don’t initially see eye to eye on.  I don’t think Billie should be obligated to speak out on anything unless he wants to.  But I also think everyone should realize that Green Day is a production.  It’s a company like any other.  It is very much like a reality show.  Even if you love a reality show it is ok to say “oh well that part is obviously staged.”  I agree that we need to figure out a way to reduce these violent outbursts where people are dying.  I think it has a lot to do with people wanting the recognition that follows with their name and face being all over the media.  Though the news doesn’t’ list this as a potential problem because it would work against their cause if they were not allowed to disclose the personal information.  My original point about Billie Joe’s picture is that it is unsubstantiated information while he recently called for a war on guns.  He doesn’t expect you to think this through.  He knows how the world works.  First, there are dozens of millions of guns both legal and illegal in the country.  Even if you feel law abiding citizens should not have them, it is not feasible to expect they will not exist one day.  I am all for tougher gun laws and policy reform.  But the largest reason it is not realistic to ban weapons (war on guns) is that like any large industry, the economic back lash would be devastating.   Large retailers, small businesses, and independent merchants depend on that industry.  From Walmart to pawn shops to independent sellers to families that own shooting ranges and so on and so on.  There is a complete market for apparel, accessories, and everything else.  Many of these manufactures are the same that produce other goods or bring in consumers with these products and sell others as a result such as sporting goods stores like Academy and again, Walmart (who employees approximately 1.6 Million people).  When those companies all start folding it is a domino effect on the economy.  Also consider the tax revenue that is lost.

fawkes403's picture

... And also, even if this picture is outdated, I think it is more to get the message out that there is a gun problem that needs to be dealt with. You're definately right that this was made to turn people against handguns, all I'm saying is that there clearly is an issue with guns in the States, and something needs to be done about it. Sure this may be propaganda, but the problems caused by guns are real. Not sure I've made myself clear, but overall I have no problem with what you've said. All I really want to say is that something should be done about guns in the States. On a side note, I've actually really enjoyed this discussion. Its nice to have a internet debate with someone who is smart , knows what they're talking about, and doesn't just trash talk. I realize some of what I said may have been ignorant and I apolagize for that, but still, I am open minded to all you have said, and now agree with most of it. You've helped me understand all of this better, so thanks for that. And I mean that in all honesty, I'm not being sarcastic.

fawkes403's picture

...It is already illegal for those under 19 (or a similar age, depending on where you live) to consume alchohol. Its illegal to drink and drive. It is also illegal to serve alcohol to someone who is too intoxicated (at least it is where I live). Essentially there is not a lot to be done about alchohol issues except to create awarene - oh wow. I just realized how flawed my arguement is. You're right, BJ should be speaking out about alchohol abuse, because if he has the power to influence people, he could influence them not to drink to much. Now I agree with you on that 100%. You have made me second guess most of what I have said so far. Regardless, I still maintain that the situation with guns and alchohol is different. The difference is that the victims of guns, more often than not become victims due to regulations set by the government (not enough has been done to ensure it is difficult for the wrong person to get a gun). With alchohol though, the government cannot create anymore rules to prohibit it. Idealy, illegalizing drunkeness would help, however it would be impossible to enforce this. Due to this, the problems resulting from alchohol and guns cannot be treated the same way, as in order for them to be worked out, they both require different actions. Alchohol issues require awareness, while gun issues require governmental change. I do still agree with you that BJ should be speaking out about alchohol just as much as he is about guns (especially in light of his history). And I think you're right, he probably isn't, is because it would hurt his reputation. After all, it can't be that he is ignorant of the problems with alchohol as he has experienced them firsthand. As for what you're saying about this exact picture, you're right, it probably is biased and outdated, but that does not mean that there is no gun problem. Just because there may be places worse than the US for gun issues, does not makes the US' gun issues any less significant...

fawkes403's picture

@throggie I completely understand what you're saying. It all makes sense, and it seems like you have done more research into all of this than I have, so I can't really argue with you.I would like to clarify my opinions on somethings however. First off, sorry if it came off sounding like I thought you were hating on BJ, I realized that you were probably a fan, and it was not my intention to make it sound like you weren't. I'm also a big fan and Idiot Club member, and I disagree with some of the things he says as well. As for your statement of BJ doing this to be controversial, you could be perfectly right. It is very possible that he is simply doing what he does because he wants to be rogue. However, I personnally see the controversial messages he shouts out, as him trying to get something across. My reasoning for this, is that in order for him to write songs about these things, he must have strong feelings about them. If he didn't feel the way he appears to in his music, he most likely wouldn't have come up with the lyrics. That does not discredit what you are suggesting though, he may be making statements like this simply to gain publicity, however, I feel that he believes in what he is saying. Still, it is very possibly that I have this opinion just because I don't want to think negatively of Billie Joe. Also, I really don't think I have looked into all this as much as you have so I appreciate what you're saying, and am begining to question my own beliefs on the matter. As for the thing about alchohol, I know what you're saying, and for the most part I agree with it. When I said what I said, I was meaning that without banning alchohol completely (which won't happen), there isn't much that can be done to prevent alchohol problems...

throggie's picture

......And if you read the Rolling Stone review of Reading 2012 he takes what I consider a shot to U.S. fans that I did not see the need for.  Again, he doesn’t say this shit for me, I am aware.  And I read an article at one time of the group saying how a lot of people think the U.S. is the best country but it’s not.  I am still searching for that, so until I find it, of course, don’t hold them to it.  I am not saying he is unpatriotic.  I am saying this is more about him marketing his image and fans not sorting through that.  If you want to know how unreliable the picture source is, it’s so old that there is no email address, it informs the reader to contact them by mail at a physical address rather than email, and notice it fails to document Middle Eastern and Central American governments.  It is intended to lead the viewer to its position.  It is in no way reliable.  It is not even clever.  It is just garbage to mislead.  When information is presented as rational analysis it is often not shocking even if it is impactful.  I hope that answers some questions.  I have never had a bigger hero.  In the 90’s he was like the father I was missing through the music.  But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with him.  That’s what I learned from him, if nothing else.

JadedRebel's picture

its not the gun itself that killed all those people. its other people who killed those people, using the gun. Guns aren't the problem, bad-intentioned people are what are the real problem.

throggie's picture

...To your point that the kids did not just die of alcohol poisoning…that’s along the same lines as I was saying that he is jumping on current events to push his social views and market himself.  Also, the 75,000 deaths per year related to alcohol are not all accidently self-inflicted much like the gun deaths listed were not all self-inflicted.  Many people who died in relation to alcohol were innocent, and many were children.  My point was, by numbers, using the provided example, alcohol far outweighs gun related deaths and Billie Joe does not seem to lash out.  It’s an example.  I would think he doesn’t because he likes alcohol.  Whereas in the case of guns, which contribute to far less deaths (in the U.S.) he feels that the law should be change to fit his view.  I am not trying to speak for him.  I am explaining my observations.  Why does he want to live in the U.S.?  It is likely because he is rooted here and has vision for what he considers home.  At least it is a place where that is allowed.  You were right that I could not find some of the examples of his U.S. trash talking that I had seen in the past so I would like to admit that I cannot support that entirely.  I can tell you that I found examples of where he said things on video if France 2005 (youtube) where he said the song was a fuck you to George W. Bush and he changed that to fuck to all politicians when I saw that tour in the states.  That stands out to me somewhat...

throggie's picture

@fawkes403 and Sadie.bell.  You have brought up some valid points and asked me to clarify some things.  That is fair enough.  I will try to group together all of it from both your postings.  It was never my intention to suggest Billie Joe is not allowed to express his opinion.  If anything, I am in his court expressing my opinion.  It is my belief that it should be welcomed to have discussion regarding differing points of view and even demonstrate criticism at another’s point of view.  I did not just come to the site to attack Billie Joe’s point of view.  I have been a fan for nearly 20 years going back to before the first time I saw them in 1995.  I have agreed and disagreed many times with the beliefs of Billie and other members.  I am currently an Idiot Club member to the point that I have participated in and even won contests.  I only say this to validate my presence at this conversation.  My intention is to say I have been reading this stuff for a large part of my life and am independent enough in my thinking to tell you that I believe he does this to market himself.  I have never respected someone so much as a songwriter and musical artist.  But as an individual I have come to be very disappointed with the way he uses his musical influence to get fans to agree with his personal views and its never enough.  If you read it for enough years you will see it’s a bottomless pit.  This is what he wants: to be the center of controversy and have people talk about him.  I pointed it out in this open conversation because it appeared several people were not making the distinction between his rock star character and a normal person with an opinion.  To your point that the kids did not just die of alcohol poisoning…that’s along the same lines as I was saying that he is jumping on current events to push his social views and market himself...

fawkes403's picture

@Nataschi I really don't know what the fuck you're trying to say. I don't know whether you're supporting me or going against me. You're that pathetic. Hopefully everything you wrote was a joke, or you were drunk or high or something, because if you thought you were saying something meaningful, you are going to have trouble in life. And what is all "legal shit" you're talking about? I may need to reread over what throggie and I said, but as far as remember, nobody used any legal terms. We talked about legal issues, but didn't bring up any complicated legal statements or laws. I think you need to rethink what you classify as "legal" shit. That or you need to stop wasting your time posting meaningless comments on BJ's instagram and do some English homework, so that you better understand the language, and can actually get your message across.

fawkes403's picture

@throggie I understand how you could interpret this as a publicity stunt by Billie Joe, however I do not think that is the case. For one thing, this picture will only be seen by those following BJ on Instagram or GD.com, so anyone who sees it is probably already a fan. Furthermore, with the many political messages BJ has given in his songs, it seems probable he would speak out on a topic such as this. Rather than using a statement to gain publicity as you said, I think he is using his publicity to make a statement. Due to his fame he has influential power over many perople and he's using it to make a difference. Also, that bit about how he isn't speaking out about alchohol related deaths, well generally when one dies of alchohol consumption it is their own fault, rather than someone elses. I don't know about you, but I'm more sympathetic to someone who gets shot and killed by someone else, than someone who gets wasted and dies on their own account. And even if he did want to do something about the alchohol problem, it would be utterly pointless, because next to no one would support a ban, and he would just be wasting his time.

Seth Craig's picture

I think the point of this was to show that the United States has an extremely high amount of deaths compared to our Allies when it comes to handguns. My opinion is you have each state end up like Texas where most people are allowed to carry guns with them. Or California where our gun laws are much more strict, none of this in between stuff. Lastly don't condemn someone for having an opinion about this subject. Even though he is a celebrity, Billie Joe is allowed to share his opinion just like everyone else. I really doubt he's that shallow of a person to actually do this to get album sales up. Even though I hope th people who said that know that those two subjects make absolutely no sense together...

greendayfreak48's picture

damn. thats so sad. im moving to Great Brittan

Nataschi's picture

Yes, hey, fawkes403  throggie could it be that you make something wrong in your life? Could it be that you are just lazy persons, that I could get jealous about it?

I havn't known that here is the party going on. Haha, I'm so amused that I can't sleep in my bed but laugh me to death! Cool! So I am thinking: fawkes403  throggie are telling just LEGAL SHIT, what they tell the world the whole day. I'm so soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrry, that IIIIIIIIII have to get angry now and let MY legal shit out. Because somebody put the type smaller that is for me the sign to think that something is wrong here. I can explain it also:

It's not specific for Billie Joe or Green Day, it's just legal words, which are hurting me! They are just laying in their beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds or oon the taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaables and are waiting till somebody is aggressive enough that they have a reason to shoot back with much more STUPID LEGAL STUFF, ey. Sooooooo and now I make me nice here:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Is that nice here. I stay here now and just waiting also.

Sadie.bell's picture

@throggie--Hey I looked up on about every site. Nothing says anything about Billie Joe talking crap about USA.  Tell me exactly why would he talk crap about USA if he lives here?  I highly doubt that 1 little picture will make much of a difference on how many records he sales.  While you’re doing all this research about Billie Joe and this picture you could be researching on how to prevent stupid crap like this from happening.  You seem like a smart enough person. You also SEEM like a smart enough person to do that instead of preaching to us about how terrible Billie Joe is on GREENDAYS HOMEPAGE.  Alcohol isn’t the topic.  Though I bet if it was, Billie Joe would have something to say about it. Over 20 1st Graders didn’t  recently just die of alcohol poisoning now did they?

rachelk16's picture

Sad but True,

This is why we have to elect Billie Joe for president 2016...

Its sad.. US has most gun related deaths. Do we really want to be known for that??

GreenDay69's picture

 

Thank you Billie Joe for taking a stand on this controversial issue. I am proud to be a Green Day fan when I see you advocate for important social issues in your music, in concert, and through social media. I know many of your fans are probably gun owners and NRA members. Fuck 'em! I'm reminded of the message Kurt Cobain put in the liner notes from Incesticide: "If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us – leave us the fuck alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records." Amen! Please continue to fight the good fight and remember that you have the support of many loyal fans, both young and old. 

 

throggie's picture

This appears to be a well-developed document with strongly supported material.  If you read the fine print, this ad is a product of Handgun Control, Inc. who would later change their name to the Brady Campaign, over 11 years ago in 2001.  This is a piece of rhetoric dug up for Billie Joe to use current events to endorse his own social views because he is limited by his egomaniacal nature while it also serves as the driving force behind his success.  This guy is so full of shit he is pouring over like an out of control fountain.  I wonder if he still remembers emphasizing his own words "Somebody shot the President" in a yell like fashion when playing 'Maria' in Dallas on the last spin with the American Idiot tour.  Ironic since the President was shot in Dallas.  Guns are obviously part of the problem in the recent tragedy.  But that is not what this about.  There is obviously so much more to it.  As for the information provided in Billie Joe's picture, U.S. is nowhere near the top country for death rate by guns.  Total deaths are different because of population.  According to Wiki, there were 31,224 gun related deaths in 2007 while NBC reports that 75,000 people die each year in alcohol related deaths.  Why was Billie Joe not raising hell about this?  Because everyone would laugh at him and it would not help him sell records.  Not to lose sight, something does need to be done.  We need to take positive action which may include changing gun laws or other processes.  But this picture posted here is of self-serving, outdated information distributed by an institution with a mission in the favor of its stance on a social issue.  By the way, Billie Joe talks shit on stage about the United States when playing in other countries.  Look it up.  It helps him sell records.  This is all related.

Sadie.bell's picture

It's people that kill people not handguns that kill people. Really they should be more strict with security to stop crazed PSYCHOS from getting into ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WITH A FRICKEN HAND GUN.  I wish that some cop caught that guy so we could strap him right into the fricken electric chair and we could all watch him fry.

fawkes403's picture

@JadenMcCallum Just to let you know, you are unbelievably stupid and ignorant. Now, I get what you're saying and understand why you'd say it, but your logic is flawed. Seriously, you're saying that everyone needs guns to protect themselves from people with guns. WTF? Maybe guns should not be banned completely, because they do provide a sense of security, but there at least needs to be stricter regulations. For one thing, why the hell do you need automatic assult rifles? If you can answer that without saying something incredibly stupid, then... well then I don't know because you can't answer that without saying something incredibly stupid, because there is no logical answer. You do not need an automatic weapon to protect yourself. Automatic guns (assult rifles, smgs, lmgs) are meant to kill lots of people. It does not take 30 bullets to kill one person. All it takes to stop someones pulse is one bullet, as long as its coming from a gun held by someone who knows how to use it. So if there was someone who openfired, they could be stopped by someone with a handgun. But saying all that is redundant because, well, you say having guns like you do keeps you safe? Okay, how has that worked out so far? How has having people with guns helped stop mass shootings? Lets look at this school shooting shall we, no civilians used their guns to stop him. Or the Colorado shooting. No one with guns stopped that. The only people with guns who stop these things, are the police. Therefore, the average person's gun isn't helping stop this shit. So unless you're insisting to solve this gun problem by buying more guns, which just does not make sense, I would really like to know what you think. Because he way I see it, guns cause more damage than they prevent. Look at the above statistics. Guess which in country its easiest to get guns? The States. Now guess in which country not even the police carry guns? Great Britain. I've got more to say, but no space. Bottom line is, BJ is right.

BasketCaseN1's picture

You have always the right word Billie! And like i always say: BILLIE JOE FOR PRESIDENT FOREVER!!!

sithlord3's picture

Right on Jaden...

JadenMcCallum's picture

This right here makes me sick. Handguns, Assault Rifles, Shotguns, they don't kill people, people kill people. Hearing this from my idol is like a kick in the heart. Getting rid of guns means taking them out of responsible gun owners as well. 2nd Amendment people! If guns are banned, it will only create a black market, or some other way for criminals to obtain weapons. Would you rather have an unarmed school staff in a banned weapon world, and have a criminal find a way to obtain a gun, and attack a helpless school? OR, would you have a well armed school with staff that is trained to defend? There are way more responsible gun owners than unresponsible. I feel the way to go is to boost the eye and care on the mental.

unodostrexxx's picture

that's the sad truth. I hate guns. They must be banned all over the world. But obviously that will never happen. Which is truly sad. BTW! i love you Billie Joe and Green Day!

FA84's picture

Thats some sick facts.

1luv's picture

that's some confronting/disturbing figures.

VanessaHodgson's picture

I must tell you that I absolutely idolize you and your music. Green Day will forever be my favorite band. I know you hear that a lot, but hopefully hearing it doesn't get old. Much <3

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